132. The Quiet Power of Reinvention with Sabine Hutchison, Queen of Reinvention

In this episode, Serena sits down with Sabine Hutchison — CEO and co-founder of Seuss Plus, author of Beyond the Ladder, host of Cut the Chat Life Science Insider podcast and Be the Ripple podcast, and founder of the Ripple Network.

Known as the ‘Queen of Reinvention’, Sabine shares how she has reshaped her life and career again and again — from chemistry graduate and hazardous waste specialist, to world-touring team member for David Copperfield, to biotech and life sciences leader, published author, and ecosystem builder.

Through candid examples, Sabine reminds us that reinvention doesn’t always arrive with fireworks — often it’s quiet, intuitive, deliberate, and built on patience, values, and inner listening.

What we talked about

✔️ Reinvention as a series of small, intuitive steps — not one dramatic leap
✔️ Parking your education, identity, or expertise without losing it
✔️ Blurriness vs clarity — and why both belong in every journey
✔️ Sitting with uncertainty instead of forcing change
✔️ Nervousness, self-awareness, and what our body tells us
✔️ Cyclical energy, perimenopause, and why women must speak about it
✔️ Networking as nourishment, not obligation
✔️ How women can build values-aligned, sustainable careers

Key Insights & Gentle Reminders

» You don’t need every step mapped out — trust the blur
» Clarity can come from knowing your values, not your job title
» Your degree or past roles are not wasted — you can return to them any time
» Confidence grows through preparation, tuning in, and practice
» Your energy ebbs and flows — honour your season
» Reinvention is available at any age, stage, or chapter

About Sabine’s Book – Beyond the Ladder

Sabine’s book invites women to rethink outdated career narratives and build careers aligned with purpose, health, seasonality, and personal strength.
Featuring tools, reflections, and stories from 36 diverse women, it’s part guidebook, part inspiration, and deeply practical.

Connect with Sabine Hutchison

Website
LinkedIn
The Ripple Network
Cut the Chat Life Science Insider Podcast
Be the Ripple Podcast
Beyond the Ladder 

Invitation to work with Serena The Quiet Warrior Coach

If you’re ready to be visible in the workplace without performing extroversion, book a S.E.E.N. diagnostic session with Serena at info@serenalow.com.au.

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Transcript

Welcome And Quiet Reinvention

SPEAKER_02 0:02

My guest today is Sabine Hutchison, CEO and co-founder of Zeus Plus, author of Beyond the Ladder, host of the Life Science Insider podcast and Be the Ripple Podcast, and founder of the Ripple Network. Known as the Queen of Reinvention, she helps leaders and organizations move beyond outdated models of success to build values-driven, sustainable careers. Welcome, Sabine, to the Quiet Warrior Podcast.

SPEAKER_04 0:33

Ah, Sabrina, thank you so much. Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_02 0:36

You're very welcome. As soon as you said Queen of Reinvention, I was very intrigued.

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Yeah, I know this whole idea of reinvention. I think sometimes we we look at reinvention as very dramatic and that it has to be these big fireworks and big uh changes. And I think sometimes reinvention can be quiet, small steps too, that can have a really significant impact. So I've had a lot of them. And sometimes planned, maybe some, well, yeah, planned, some definitely some planned decisions, but also some steps where they presented themselves and were definitely not planned. And I just took it and it had a big impact. And it and if I can share a story, it's interesting that we were kind of leading off with that because um this morning there was a post from someone in the Ripple Network, Emma Wayner. And she her she did an image also of me, and she said the statement was two years ago she wanted to do a TEDx talk. And and that was kind of what started kicked off the Ripple Network. And as I was reflecting on what she had written, I was like, that was also this reinvention, but it was quiet, and I just felt it. I felt it was the right thing to do. And I really listened to my intuition. And that's another example of I think these this reinvention that happens that's can be very quiet if you just listen to yourself, that you can take steps that are very impactful.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Yes.

From Chemistry To Hazardous Waste

SPEAKER_02 2:10

Can you tell us more about some ways you have reinvented yourself?

SPEAKER_04 2:15

Yeah, oh, lots of ways. So I think the one of the biggest ones is that I studied chemistry. So um my education is there, and I've definitely worked in the in the scientific space, but I've never never done like benchtop research. I actually very quickly after I got out of university, was like, ooh, I don't want to work with mice. And I had first interviews like with research institutes. I was like, no, I don't think I want to do that. So I quickly even went out of what was back then, that was a long time ago, um, this kind of traditional idea of what you do when you're a scientist and actually got a driver's license to drive a truck and worked with the disposal of hazardous chemicals, which is in the sciences, and you have to use your your chemistry background, but it's not a traditional kind of job that you would have gotten, I think, out of university. And even as a female, maybe that's um not necessarily driving a truck. And yeah, my parents were surprised. They're like, what are you doing? How long did you do that for? Oh, I did that for a long time. After university, I worked in that industry 15, 15 years or so. Yeah. No, I didn't drive the truck for that long, but I started with that. I drive a truck for about a year.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

And then you reinvented yourself again?

SPEAKER_04 3:42

And then I reinvented myself again. I moved to another state. I moved, I was living in Maryland and then had the opportunity to move to Salt Lake City and same industry, but quite a different kind of job. So working at a hazardous waste incinerator to dispose of things properly. Yeah. And and then shifted into doing sales for the company. And I think also moving to Salt Lake City was interesting too, because that was a time where um it's more of a traditional, but back then it was definitely more traditional. And I I as a woman in the industry was it was also not that common and definitely had to, yeah, to reinvent myself there and to kind of make a stance for myself.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

What else have you done that you would consider reinventing?

SPEAKER_04 4:38

I think almost I I as as I as you're asking this question, I think it's almost everything, every step that I've had in my career. So after I was living in Salt Lake City, my best friend from college came to visit me and he was working for the magician David Copperfield. And I had, you know, I got out of university, I got a job, I bought a house, and I did kind of the traditional things, what is, you know, what's expected and what are definitions of success, I think, what traditional definitions of success are. And when he shared that with me that he was doing that, again, I was listening to myself. I was like, ooh, I that sounds really cool. I would love to do that. Is he looking for anybody else to work for? And he was, he made a couple of calls and I actually ended up getting

Quitting Safe Paths For Adventure

SPEAKER_04 5:25

an interview, like quit my job, I sold my house, and I went on tour with David Copperfield. So that was a big one.

SPEAKER_02 5:34

Sounds pretty magical to me.

SPEAKER_04 5:36

Yeah, it was very magical. Very, very magical. Yeah.

unknown 5:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 5:41

And every, I think really every step in that, there's always been some sort of uh reinvention. I didn't definitely, you know, led to learn some business aspects. Um didn't definitely didn't need my science at that time. So kind of parked that for a little bit. And I think that that's okay too. Sometimes we can take steps where we maybe park parts of what we've learned and and where we come from. Um, but it doesn't mean that they're gone. I think that we can kind of pull them back out when we need them again. And I needed it again when I moved to Germany and um started working um in a lab. So I could pull that experience back out.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

Yeah. And did you get to do the bench top research after all?

SPEAKER_04 6:23

Um, well, we worked at it worked at a central lab, but it was more of an office job. I didn't work in the the lab. I looked at more lab results and um it was around working in clinical trials. So also different industry. Um, so more evaluation of the results and not it not in the lab. So actually after university, never really worked in a lab.

Parking Skills Without Losing Them

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Let's go back one step to what you said about parking the knowledge that we've acquired along the way. When you said it was okay to have studied that and then to park that because you were reinventing it, you were doing something else, you were trying something new. I think sometimes what happens is we we get very attached to the thing that we studied, especially if it's taken a few years, you know, it's taken a lot of money with our student loans or you know, parental expectations or societal norms. And we find it hard to untangle ourselves from all those things to say it's okay for me to park that. It's not actually wasted.

SPEAKER_04 7:28

No, not at all. Yeah, I think that that's so true. And and again, it's kind of breaking away from these traditional norms that say, oh, if I study this, I've I I don't know about you, but I've spoken to a lot of people that studied their degree, they and their degree and they finished and they're like, I really don't want to do this. And and that's okay because it still gives you knowledge, it still kind of gives you, I think, the credibility that one needs. Cause oftentimes, if you look for positions, they say uh degrees required, but oftentimes not necessarily what type of degree. So if you do have that, then you can step into roles. And I think we as a society are getting even more and more comfortable with this parking and not necessarily um sticking with everything that you do in Germany. I don't I live in Germany now and I've been here for a long time. And this is, I think, a perfect example of that. The evolution is that traditionally here, you studied something, you learned a job, and you stuck with it for that's it. You are in it. That was like your life decision, you know, when you're 16 or 17 years old. And um, I I see that also shifting and changing, that it's more acceptable that not everyone asks, well, if you didn't study exactly this, or if you don't have an MBA, you can still potentially start a business. Um, and and I think the mindsets are shifting, but it's taken a long time, I think, for that for that shift.

SPEAKER_02 8:58

Yes. And I'm glad that things have shifted. I'm glad that nowadays people feel a lot more, a lot less hesitation about parking and experimenting and trying new things as compared to when I decided to quit law. And then after that, and felt so much guilt because I've I had internalized those messages that I was throwing away my law degree, I was wasting four years of study, what was I gonna do with myself? And then there's also that element of an identity crisis that for a while you won't know exactly what the next step is going to be. And there is that uncertainty, I think, that we need to be prepared to accept. And it's going to be a bit blurry for a little while, but it's okay because we are figuring things out.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Exactly. And I think that that is just such a such a brilliant way to kind of step forward. I think this idea that we have to have every step planned out. And this is going to happen after this. After this, I think that I rarely know of people that have that. I who who has knows every exact step. Yeah, some people maybe can plan out their careers that they want. If they, for instance, if they studied law and then they say, okay, I want to be a judge, then there's certain steps that you take and you follow that. So that's a pretty defined um path. Or if you're a physician, you know, there's certain steps that you take that are quite defined. But in general, I think I love that idea that the blurriness is good. Let it be blurry for a while and don't try to just push it away so quickly. Maybe sit in it for a while and let things be blurry and explore. And I think that that's such a beautiful place to be. And we often try to get out of that space too quickly. And it can be very powerful to sit in it for a

Clarity Through Values And Blurriness

SPEAKER_04 10:50

while. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

And that segues very nicely into the next question, which is to do with a lot of people I hear will say things like, I need more clarity. I don't have clarity about my next move. So we've just established that blurriness is okay, but then where does clarity come in?

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Yeah, and and clarity is important too. And I think clarity, and I think that there are different ways to look at that as well. Again, we were talking about clarity in each step in your career. For me, the clarity is more about what I want. So taking that blurriness and sitting with it and trying to find clarity with um, am I working according to my values? Um, that for me is an important piece of clarity. Um, who am I? Who do I want to be seen as? How do I want to use my voice? Um, what what's what position do I want to be in? And how do I do that well? Those are for me the the clarity pieces that are so important. So it's more introspective and and looking at what I want in order to take those next steps in life and your career, wherever you want to go. So that that's the clarity piece for me is like being clear with myself and how I want to live and and the steps that I want to take. And if it the clarity can also be being in the blurriness. So that can be clarity. Just uh, I think a little bit of a different perspective on on how we see clarity.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yes. I think we can have clarity about our values, we can have clarity about certain things that are non-negotiables, that are supremely important to us as a human being, as an individual. But at the same time, acknowledge that while seeking for that clarity or waiting for it to come to us, there is blurriness. And I think those two things, that duality, being comfortable with those two things coexisting. It doesn't have to be I I have to get rid of one in order to have the other. It's not like that.

SPEAKER_04 12:51

Yeah, exactly. I worked with a coach, um, Mary Morrison, and she talked, we talked a lot about how often we want to push things away because we feel that I don't want to experience that. That's the goal, is that I don't want to be nervous, for instance, with um being nervous if you're speaking, that you say, I can't, I don't want to be nervous, I don't want to be nervous. Well, yes, you can be nervous. So let that be. Let that come up and look at what do you do with that. So I think oftentimes we try to push things away and think, I don't want to feel that, I don't want to experience that. And that's actually part of the process is actually letting that all come up and looking at what you do with that. I don't, I'm never not gonna, I don't think I'm ever gonna be not nervous before I do a talk or before I uh moderate a panel or before whatever I do if I do any type of talk. But it's what I do with that and that I know that it's there and I'm not constantly thinking, okay, don't do that, don't do that, don't get nervous, don't get nervous. It's okay. It's like being in the blurriness. It's okay to be nervous, but work with that and and let that be part of who you are. And maybe the nervousness goes away a little bit faster because you've learned how to do some breath work. Um, so again, it's not just trying to push everything away, but that we just sit in things a little bit more.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

I'm glad you said that because I think that's probably one of the factors that's missing, this ability to sit with uncomfortable feelings and sit with not knowing, and sit with uncertainty and and anything else that wishes to come up and not make that into a thing that I have to overcome. Because a lot of the advice we get nowadays is overcome this, break out of your comfort zone there, you know, just change your mindset and so on. And it's it feels like a forcing for some people, it's maybe that's not the right approach. Maybe it's you know, that that feels too much like I have to resist, I have to push, I have to do something to counter that, as though that is the enemy, but that's not necessarily it. That's what you're saying is it's okay. It's okay to sit with it, it's okay to let it come up, to look at it honestly, to acknowledge it, and then still have that choice. There is still it is still a personal choice. What am I going to do with this feeling? I could reframe it, I could tell myself a different story about it, I could use it to fuel me, I could acknowledge it publicly so that other people feel, oh well, you know, she's human too.

Stop Chasing Quick Fixes

SPEAKER_02 15:35

And that makes them feel better.

SPEAKER_04 15:38

100%. Yeah, that is so true. And we hear so often, um, in one day, if you do these morning routines, everything's gonna change, or do these 10 things in order to accomplish this. I feel like this, we're just bombarded with so much information and the sense of everything has to be changed and done so quickly. And I just think that that's not that's not reality. And we're starting to hold ourselves to those standards that if I can't get this, you know, two-hour morning routine in place, um, I'm not successful. Or, you know, what is wrong with you if you can't do that? And that's going to lead to, you know, making millions and it's all of these quick fixes. And and then we think we have to do that, and I just don't believe that at all at all. I have this uh habit that I have a little notebook and I start my day with something that I'm grateful for and an intention. And if I go back and I look at the dates, I have had one intention since December, and that's to be present and to be focused and to be in each in each moment that I'm in. I find that can be difficult because I've got an email open, I've got this is popping in. So, and also because we're doing uh a lot of video calls and we're we're getting hit and notices are popping up. So I'm making a very conscious effort because I really want to be present and I want to be respectful of the people that I'm with, that I want to focus and be present. I need that reminder and I need to write, I wrote it again today. I still need that. Um I haven't mastered it yet. So this has been a month, over a month, and and I'm okay with that. And I think that that's so important that I'm like, okay, maybe it's gonna take another, I don't know, maybe I need to write it 15 more times. I don't know how many more times before it sits. And and just to be okay with that. So this instant gratification um may take, but I think it just things take longer and to be patient with ourselves with that.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

Yes, be patient with ourselves and slow down. This go fast, go hard kind of advice is we're just not designed for that. That's not the way our nervous system operates. We're not meant to be going hard and going fast all the time. That takes a toll on us mentally, emotionally, physically.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

It certainly does. She makes me tired and and sometimes just frustrated just to keep going. It's like, okay, no, I don't want to, I want to breathe. Actually, I'm doing exactly what you've said. That's something that I'm also very much focusing on. Slow down. My sister tells me that all the time because I get I feel like I need to do so many things. And then there's um, yeah, sometimes not such a positive outcome because I'm just moving too fast or I do something like, oh, I if I'd been a little bit more present and focused and slow down, maybe that wouldn't have happened. So totally agree.

SPEAKER_02 18:43

And I'm noticing also that with seasons of life, depending on where we are, those things change. You know, the the idea of the routine or the ritual or the the strategy that works for us, that's going to evolve with us. So I think it's important to listen, to tune in, to to be very connected with ourselves. What do I need right now? Maybe I need a five-minute breather. Maybe I need to get away from my screens, maybe I need to go out for a walk. Or maybe I need to treat myself to a really nice lunch today.

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Yeah, exactly. And do it. Yeah, and don't think about it and do it.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:20

Yeah. I think that that's the thing. Oh no, maybe I'll do that tomorrow. Nope, do it, do it today. Yeah. I love that. That's right. Really being really being in tune with who you are. And again, that's the going back to the clarity piece. I think if we take the time to do that and to be in tune when I'm in a certain conversation, what what's what happens with me? One of my shoulders are tensing up. Am I relaxed? You know, what's going on? Just this awareness. And do I am I clinching my jaw in certain situations? I don't know if you've ever do you ever notice that sometimes you're in a situation that you're you're clinching your jaw, like, oh, whoa, what's going on here? Ah, breathe, relax. But it's again, it's that being in tune with what's going on. And that piece of clarity, I think, is just so important because then you can sense, okay, wait a minute, what's happening here? And um, to potentially shift or maybe pull yourself out of a situation if that's how you're feeling at that time and do it exactly what you said. Listen to yourself and say, I need to well, we'll talk later. And and you can you can leave a conversation um and say, I need to go reflect, I need to go um think about this a bit more, and then maybe do some breathing, do some whatever you need to do for yourself, and then you can step back into the situation. So give yourself

Ambivert Energy And Honest Leadership

SPEAKER_04 20:35

permission to do that as well.

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Yes, that's all good. Now I'm really curious to know because this is the Quiet Warrior podcast, and a lot of our listeners are introverts. Where do you see yourself on the introversion extroversion spectrum?

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yeah. I I think I'm somewhere in the middle. I wouldn't classify classify myself as a complete introvert or an extrovert, but I don't get drained. Well, sometimes I get drained in certain situations. So if I'm out and in a big space, sometimes it feeds me. Um so I I feel like I am in the middle somehow. Um yeah, I it different aspects come out and differ come out differently for me. I don't know if that's even is that a is that a is that an option to be in the middle or oh yes, definitely. Some days I'm more here and some days I'm more here. Yes, yes. Um so yeah, I'm somewhere in that spectrum.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Sounds like you're more of an ambivert than I think you have you have both of the traits. So it's very context dependent. That's that's how I understand it. It just it depends on the day, the energy, the the bandwidth, who you're with, what are you talking about, and all these things. So, how how does how do you see your your energy showing up? How does it affect the way you communicate, the way you lead, and the way you grow your business?

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Yeah, that's a good that's a good uh good question.

SPEAKER_04 22:07

You know, I've tried I I definitely sense when I'm in a situation or I'm talking about a topic that I'm uncomfortable with. Um what would be a good example? Sometimes we do contract negotiations. Um that's not I can do it, but it's not something where I think, woo-hoo, let's go, let's go. Um, so I feel like I have the the competency to do it, but it's not something that gives me energy. So I do realize I become the way that I speak is different. I'm not as confident in the um in the statements that I'm saying. I pull back a little bit, I become a bit more quiet, can a bit more quiet. I'm watching, I'm much more watching what's happening. And there are other situations that if I'm um sometimes if I'm if we're interviewing um a candidate or I'm speaking to someone that I'd like to gather information from, there I just I can feel it. I feel lighter. I'm definitely not clenching my jaws, which I could be in a contract negotiation. Um, but I feel you just feel lighter and and then and then it flows. I sit differently, my voice I think is differently, uh, it it sounds differently. Um so it is it's really interesting to watch that and to think, okay, even in the situations where maybe I'm not as confident or I'm not feeling as strong, um that that's also okay, but what can I do to in those situations um be more comfortable? Maybe it's reading, reading the contract more, preparing more. You know, that's oftentimes too. I think we often come sometimes we can slide into a situation and we just haven't prepared the way that we should. That impacts uh impacts how I speak or how I am and how I stand in the room. So I think we can do some things to counter that um by preparation. So that's something that I can look at. Um, but yeah, that's also I feel like a spectrum, depending upon the situation, the context. Um, and sometimes even the day you can also just wake up and be in not a good place. And sometimes it's good just to say that, to tell people today. I just am not feeling on my game and to to talk about that. I think it's something that also with women that women that they deal with with menopause and with hormonal shifts too. Yes, I think what what one of the things that I do in the topic of women's health is that I think it's important to talk about that. So if you're not on your game today, or if you're in your menstrual or cycle, one of my colleagues actually, she's like, it's that time. I'm just not, I'm not on my game. It has nothing to do with you or work or anything else. I'm just not on my game today. So if we talk about those of the situations a bit more, I think that we become more tolerant when we're when we're having those times we don't potentially come across as being as confident or feeling as as good as we can.

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yes. I think it's so good that you acknowledge that and you make room for those sorts of discussions because it's so true that we are designed to work on a cycle. So we're not meant to be consistently pushing. And I've noticed as I get older, and also being in perimenopause, that I work in bursts of energy. So the creativity, the ideas, and all that, they they come and they go. Yeah. And some days it's just not happening. Yeah, it's just really flat.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

And you try and you try, and you're like, okay, I'm gonna jump up, I'm gonna go for a walk, I'm gonna do something, and it just sometimes you just the biology of it, you can't change it. You can't fight that. No, you can't fight it. I wish we could, but I can't. So acknowledging that and and addressing it and just being open about it, I think, I think people are happy to hear that. It makes them potentially if you let them know that it's not them, because I think that's a habit or that's a I think something that we as humans do is that if someone reacts a certain way that we're not used to, we immediately think, oh, what have I done? What's going on? Have I done something? Which is a totally different topic, but we can help eliminate some of that by sharing where we are and if we're not and if we're having an off day.

SPEAKER_02 26:31

Yes. And among women, I think it it normalizes those sorts of issues. It becomes more oh, yes, of course. It's educational for some, it's insightful for others who are not there yet. And I think it just makes us more human.

SPEAKER_03 26:45

Yeah, it does. And oh, we're so human. And it's also

Beyond The Ladder Book And Network

SPEAKER_03 26:50

okay to be so human.

unknown 26:52

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

So tell us about your book, Beyond the Ladder. What is it about? Who is it for?

SPEAKER_04 26:59

Yeah. The book, um, it's it's for I've written the book for with women in mind. Um, so it's definitely focused because I do talk about some health. Uh, there's a there's a excuse me, a chapter on health and focusing on some of these issues about menopause, um, also looking at some infantility issues that um that women can have and have to deal with and have to stay and work with and just incorporating it into your life. The book came about because I'd read so many incredible books, I'd read a lot of incredible books and articles about career. And there were so many different pieces that I thought were interesting. I was like, oh, maybe I could take the things that have impacted my career positively and what I've talked to other women about and make it make it um into something that I could share with the world. And that's where Beyond the Ladder came from is like all of these ideas, all these notebooks, all this these things over the years pull together into one book. And I start, interestingly enough, I start my one of the first chapters is about clarity and your values and being in tune with that. Um, and again, it's not necessarily knowing your next step and having this detailed plan. It's about you, you know, what what do you what do you want? And how do you feel about yourself and your brand? Talk a lot about your network. Um, how is the network so important? And it is, I think almost every day I have an experience where I'm like, oh my goodness, the network and maintaining that and keeping contact with people is so valuable. And that those are things that can slide out because again, we're busy. We do a lot of things, and those coffee chats with people can get put away. And so what I do is that I actually schedule calls with individuals on a regular basis for a coffee. I don't just let it happen. You know, when you speak to someone, you're like, oh, we should get together and let's have a chat. Yes. I schedule those, um, get them in the calendar because we're all we're busy, everyone is busy and they'll slide away. So I think the uh this idea of networks is about network. Um, it's about stories. I interviewed 36 women, so I've incorporated those stories into each chapter. And they're women that you know, they're a colleague, they're my mother. I actually interviewed my mother from a completely different perspective. Um, I wanted it, I wanted to have tangible, very real stories from women in the book. And yeah, and it's a guide. And there's a workbook along with it because I'm a very practical person and oftentimes I read things and I would love to have a place to work through exercises. And I'm also someone, so I'm taking a lot of the way that I see things. I often sometimes or I've seen it in workshops where you ask a question or you want to get started, and the blank the page is blank. That can be more, that can be easier if you have a bit of a guide or some questions that guide you through working through an exercise so you don't start completely from a blank slate. So that's yeah, that's what it's all about.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Amazing. We're gonna make sure the link to the book and the resources is in the show notes for listeners

Practice As The Real Superpower

SPEAKER_02 30:20

as well. What is one final thing you want our introverted listeners to take away from our conversation today?

SPEAKER_01 30:30

My word of the week is practice.

SPEAKER_04 30:34

Practice everything you do. Um, if you want to improve, if you if there's something, let me improve it, and I'm trying to get away from labels too. If there's something that you wish to work on, practice. And it would be okay if that practice takes longer to get to the point that you feel is where you want to arrive. We do it with languages, we do it with instruments, we do it with sports, we do it with everything. Practice. We see that that um can help us do something better to speak a language, to have our muscles grow is also practice, right? So that's my word is uh is practice and do it consistently because that can help you achieve the things that you want to do, is this repetition and over and over again.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

Thank you. Thank you so much, Sabine, for coming on the Quiet Warrior podcast today, sharing with us your wisdom about practice, about the importance of clarity and tuning into what you yourself want, the learning to be comfortable with sitting in the uncertainty and the blurriness. And most importantly, I think the power of reinvention, that you can pack away, you know, park what you know for a little while in order to experiment and try something new, and you can reinvent yourself as many times as you want to, based on what your intuition is telling you. And I think always the importance of listening to yourself, to your inner wisdom. So thank you for this conversation.

SPEAKER_04 32:09

Yeah, thank you. What a great way to start my day. So I really appreciate it.

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SPEAKER_02 32:14

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